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Post by brijinder on Nov 26, 2007 1:01:39 GMT 5
WAQT-E-FURQAT
Yeh waqt-e-furqat kitna kathin hai meri jaaN
Hoga mushkil maanaa tha, magar itnaa mushkil
Socha bhi naa thaa
Woh chaNchal si khilkhilahat
Woh tumhari maNd maNd si muskaan
Woh tumharay badan say aatay bahaar kay jhoNkay
Woh tumhaari saadgi maiN daanaai kay imkaan
Woh tumhaaraa meri baahoN maiN duniya ko bhool jaanaa
Woh behtay ashkoN maiN laraztay laboN ka muskuraanaa
Woh tumhaari pal pal ko shiddat say jeenay ki chaah
Woh tumhaari nazar maiN phool say komal khwaaboN ki raah
Woh tumhaari dabdabaai aaNkhoN maiN unkahayay sawaal
Woh tumhaaray ghanay dasht say gasuoN ka jamaal
Woh tumhaaray hoNthoN ka tilsmee khumaar
Woh tumhaaraa mujh par beloss aitbaar
Bahut yaad aataa hai yeh sub meri jaaN
Aur yaad aataa hai bahut tumhaaraa woh-
"SUNO NA" ----------------------------------- WAQT-E-FURQAT
Yeh waqt-e-furqat kitna kathin hai meri jaaN
Hoga mushkil maanaa tha, magar itnaa mushkil
Socha bhi naa thaa
Woh chaNchal si khilkhilahat
Woh tumhari maNd maNd si muskaan
Woh tumharay badan say aatay bahaar kay jhoNkay
Woh tumhaari saadgi maiN daanaai kay imkaan
Woh tumhaaraa meri baahoN maiN duniya ko bhool jaanaa
Woh behtay ashkoN maiN laraztay laboN ka muskuraanaa
Woh tumhaari pal pal ko shiddat say jeenay ki chaah
Woh tumhaari nazar maiN phool say komal khwaaboN ki raah
Woh tumhaari dabdabaai aaNkhoN maiN unkahayay swaal
Woh tumhaaray ghanay dasht say gasuoN ka jmaal
Woh tumhaaray hoNthoN ka tilsmee khumaar
Woh tumhaaraa mujh par beloss aitbaar
Bahut yaad aataa hai yeh sub meri jaaN
Aur yaad aataa hai bahut tumhaaraa woh-
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Post by brijinder on Nov 8, 2007 6:59:16 GMT 5
Zamin bhai,I have read this beautiful nazm elsewhere too and appreciated as well.Again lots of congrats. Regards brijinder
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Post by brijinder on Nov 14, 2007 3:00:41 GMT 5
I am thankful to you all for the words of appreciation.I hope this appreciation is not just out of courtsey or just for the thought.And Sunitaji,I will heed to your advice too. Regards
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Post by brijinder on Nov 11, 2007 1:58:28 GMT 5
Khyaal Se Kalam Tak
Yeh geet bus khabar bhar hain Maray zahan mein uthtay gubaaroN ki Khwaab main jinpay apnay sajaataa huN Alfaaz mehaz wo keelayN hai diwaaroN ki
Ik koshish hai haasil ko byaan karnay ki Ik diwaangi khlaa ko bharnay ki Shaayri sirf shauq nahiN ab zaroorat hai bani
Khyaal say kalam tak kay safar meiN Muqammal ka koi da_awa to nahiN Yay afqaar mairay haiN magar Mairay dil ka ainaa to nahiN
Magar kich to hai jis say hoN ayaaN Meri duniya kay khwaab Meri tanhai meray ahad meray ahsaas Aur yahi bahut hai mujhko fan-e-sukhn ka haasil Aur isliyay hi bus main likhta rahuNga
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Post by brijinder on Nov 6, 2007 7:01:34 GMT 5
My last poem here,if I am permitted to call it a poem.
Ghair-zimmaydaaroN ko
Pathar hawaaoN pay maaro Tohmat lagao fazaaoNpay Tor daalo sahil say baNdhi kashtiaN Aur sooraj pay kaalikh mal aao
Jab jab bhi chaaiN ziNdagi pay Azaab kay baadal Jab jab bhi dagmagaaiN Afkaar kay paaoN Mujrim qaraar do sooraj ko samaNdar ko HawaaoN ko fazaaoN ko Aur apnay ahsaas-e-zimmaydari say muNh phair kar Utha lo sung sadaa ki tarah Apnay fosh haathoN maiN ---------------------------------
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Post by brijinder on Oct 26, 2007 7:17:08 GMT 5
I am saying this with folded hands,"please you are very very enlightened and cultured and I am no where near you,sir" I fell in love with urdu language for the humility and wisdom inherent in it.But sadly te language does not represent everyone.To me,wisdom is to be gathered ,no matter if I get it from "angrez",hindu,muslim or any culture or race.If you abhor so much the "angrez culture then you shoyld stop being a hypocrite and not use internet,T.V,fridge,pants,shirts,phones,cars,aeroplanes etc etc as all are the product of angreezi thought.Mygod!you even live in angerzi country,if I am correct!!!My love for Ghalib is qual to my love for Shakespeare.Do not worry sir,urdu language is strong enough to survive without you.And despite your best efforts,I will not come to your level of "culture".I am just stunned by this viciousness which you have carried in you for such a long time-three years by your own admission. I appeal to all the readers,if I have said anything ATALL which is beyond the call of manners,just let me know and I will openly apologise.And I also appeal the moderators and the administrators not to remain silent spectators to this mockery of "culture" and manners. This is a wonderful site and it should remain so.If you think I have done any thing wrong or have been disrespectful,just let me know openly,and I will take my leave of this site altogether and you can have scholars and cultured people like Atif sahes,Shaheen saheb and above all Khalid saheb.And I also request the same to the members to come out openly and tell me if I have gone beyond the call of courtsey,manners ANYTIME ANY WHERE ON ANY SITE??? I am just too torn,disturbed and stunned to the core of my soul at this moment. Regards Brijinder
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Post by brijinder on Oct 26, 2007 4:51:14 GMT 5
If anyone knows how it feels to be hit by a brick,then he/she will know how I am feeling right now.You both are great persons and have just proved that.Words fail me to show my reactions.I will only say if this is "culture" and these are the manners,then I have no words to defend against myself against your diatribe I will take the help of few great men to convey what i feel. The test of good manners is to be patient with bad ones
Rudeness is the weak man's imitation of strength. ~Eric Hoffer
Children are natural mimics who act like their parents despite every effort to teach them good manners. ~Author Unknown
A man's manners are a mirror in which he shows his portrait.”
Johann Wolfgang Will you both pass on these traits of you to you children???Just ask this to yourselves. I am really sorry that I pretended to be an artist and dared to shared with you who are so great.Please pardon me ,sirs. Brijinder
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Post by brijinder on Oct 24, 2007 5:04:13 GMT 5
Razi saheb,You have done a yeoman's job by starting a thread"adeeb aur shair khamosh kion ? "It is really a need of the time that an honest and serious introspection should start in us and we all should boldy say NO to all that hatred which is being passed on in the name of religion.I am posting one of my poems which I had posted earlier also n which carries that pain: INKI SADDAON SAY BACHNA Yeh nafarat ki hawaaon pay palnay waalay Ki mazhab jinkay hamesha khatray main haiN Apnay khyaaloN ko pahnaai hai khud salaasil Aur Dil quaid-tanha bahut kurakhat pehray main haiN Ki jnooN nay jinkay pehna hai mazhab ka naqaab Gunah-I-Qatl bhi jinko lagta hai swaab Inki sadaayoN say bachna meray azeezo! Yeh nanhay haathoN main baNdookayN day kar Unkay zehanoN main zehar ki fasal bo daiN Aur Yeh farda ki umeedaiN Phir bun jaayaN imroz ka khauf Apnay bemaar khwaaboN ko haqeeqat ka pa_irhun dainay kay liayay Tw_asub ka zahar baant rahay haiN yeh is daur kay masihaa Apni garmjoshi aur qumaqali kay sabub- Yeh maazi kay sach ko bana daiN haazir ka faryub Nafrat kay numaiNday haiN Yeh mazaahib kay agwaai Yeh shaitaan ki khufia fauj Ghoom rahi hai har dil-o-zehan kay galiyaaroN main Inki sadaaoN say bachna maray azeezo! Chinaar-qud pyaam agwaa kar liyay BonoN ki is jmaat nay Kabhi hindu to kabhi muslmaN bun kar Kabhi sikh to kabhi isaai ki shaql main Is jmaat nay phaiNka hai Tamaddun pay apna jaal Aur khauf kay is kohray main har baar KitnoN kay azeez la-pata ho gayay haiN Inki sadaaoN say bachna maray azeezo! Inki sadaaoN say bachna maray azeezo! --------------------------------- Poet: Brijinder "Sagar"
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Ilteja
Oct 19, 2007 4:56:41 GMT 5
Post by brijinder on Oct 19, 2007 4:56:41 GMT 5
Ilteja
Yeh haroof-o-nuqaat kay aNkboot Yeh faqt lafzoN ko taraashnay ka junooN Bus k jaisay ho kaaghzi phooloN ka kamaal Ik baunaa fun aur uska baunaa jamaal
Pataa bhi na chalayga Kab ho jaiNgay g_um naqoosh-e-zauq-e-talab-o-afkaar Is laffaazi nizaam kay junooN main Aur phaNs kar reh jaogay Is dilkash magar dilfaryeb bhaNwar main Sadaa kay liyay
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Post by brijinder on Oct 15, 2007 3:51:21 GMT 5
This poem is dedicated to all those who put me on the path of questioning,self-examination and above all taught me how to break out of the self-imposed prison of prejudices,conditioning and narrow thinking and showed me the beauty of the universal love.
Un sab ki nazar
TanhaaioN maiN abhi bhi Zinda hai jazba-e-insaaN Bhar jaataa saaNs jo Dum torti sadaaqat maiN Aur nighaaiN umeed ki Phir say khwaab buna kati haiN
Tujh sa jab bhi koi Mil jaataa hai raah-e-ziNdagi pay Phir say sar uthaanay lagti haiN Raakh hoti si bhaghaawataiN Woh dard jisay sula aayaa tha maiN chupchaap Woh dard aaj phir kasmasaataa hai
Aur nasl-e-Adam ko bhi to Azal say har baar Milta raha hai kuch isi wajhah say Phir phir say jeenay ka maqsad
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Post by brijinder on Oct 23, 2007 0:58:40 GMT 5
I am not the one to pardon anyone.Whosoever repents should confront his own conscience.But to say"itni si baat"is to trivilze the issue.Please do not laugh it away.Few memebers had simply forgotten their core manners and had gone much beyond that. Sirs,my insistence is NOT denying the beauty and importance of traditional poetry,if you read me carefully.But I still insists for the freedom of exploration and experimentation.I back up my arguments by illuminating examples of the poems of distinguished poets.But sadly when others can not come up with some scholarly reply and can not back it up with examples,they make it up by becoming personal and crude.It seems like literature on few sites have been hijacked by the pedestrian thought and the hecklers.That is neither this ADAB(litrature)nor that ADAB(respect) in any case.I wrote:
JahaazoN say liptanaiN ko baitaab thay meray samaNdar Aur kishtiaN kaghaz ki bahataa rahaa zamana
Fatimah saheba has succinctly replied about being muslim without nazaz etc.My reply is same.The same difference is between a crafts man and an artist.The example of "third sinf"might have raised few laughs from some fixed minds but it was not a very intelligent and literary reply,sir.This is a serious ands cholarly debate,plese donot just defend instinctively but try to see with others' eyes as well. What I am saying is that Faiz,Faraaz,parvin,Kaifi etc.were and are NOT merely craftsmen of a particular style BUT were artists in true sense.An artist,by nature,is an explorer and not just a stickler to the system-social,litrary whatsoever.The artist donot belong to the fixed mindset but try to carve new paths.If almost all the modern poets also experimented in free verse,then it becomes a serious question to be asked.WHY?The answer will come only if we listen to the artists in us andNOT the craftsmen in us. I am sure that most of you have studied the modern poetry in other languages,english,punjabi ets as well.Walt Whitman,Sylvia plath and numerous others have written almost whoole of their poetry in this format and are considered the great poets.In fact,metric,rhymic poetry has been replaced by the free verse poetry in all other languages.But again ,sirs,this is not to say that traditional poetry is not beautiful.It is only to say that our love for rose should not make us prejudiced towards other flowers. And Fatimah saheba,thanks a lot for being here with me and understanding what i am trying to say. Regards brijinder
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Post by brijinder on Oct 19, 2007 1:02:09 GMT 5
I started this thread with an intention of having a very stimulating and though-provoking debate.I had assimilated few fine pieces of free-verse poetry in urdu,by famous poets,to bolster my point of view.I was hoping that ,in the true fashion of debate, those not subscribing to my point of view will come up with scholarly and intellectually incisive counterpoints,and will back it up with equally illuminating example,like I was trying to do. But I was shocked by the agressive and infantile response I got.It suddenly started looking like this site has been hijacked by few persons who did not tolerate PLURALITY OF THOUGHT. Any difference of opinion is just being snubbed by verbal abuse,personal insults and openly mockery of,what is understood in any intelligent forum as,debate.If they can not make their point by the intensity of their intellectual clarity,they make it up by being boorish,uncivil and vicious. This is,to me,a talibanisation ofa wonderful site.There seemed to be no moderator to rein in firmly,what to me seemed like,open hooliganism.This forum should be a place of scholars and artists,trying to see from each others' perpective and grow in the process. Sirs,I am sorry to say that while I was being insulted,mocked and opnely threatened of verbal abuse,no one came to make the amends.This insenstivity at a site where we,pretend to be talking about "adab" but do little to preserve it,has pained me deeply.It was only my p.ms. to razi saheb and Tabssum saehb that they stepped in.I have great respect for both of you,sirs,but it was disappointing. I request the administrators and the moderators to take steps before it is too late,before it drives away the mature memebers. Regards brijinder
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Post by brijinder on Oct 17, 2007 0:16:40 GMT 5
Atif saheb, I stand corrected but it seems that we both are speak different language.I speak as an artist n you speak as an academician and grammarian or merely of a proof reader.I am giving a sample of mistakes in this short reply of you as follows.This is not to show any weakness but to show that this is irrelevant. Please correct spellings of my name as caorrect spellings are "ATIF" not "ATEEF". Both have different pronounciations.
ruls of writing. I admire your efforts to keep paomoting (five mistakes and still counting!11)
Your quoting Iqbal's sh'er firmly establishes your mindset .Sir,I wanted a serious and honest debate and not a personality match.Consider it as my intellectual defeat and please stop this one-upship match.Consider that i just can not reach the level of your intellectual and aesthetic levels. I neither have the patience nor the time to waste in such innanties. This is just childish,my friend.Please excuse me. Goodbye Brijinder"Sagar"
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Post by brijinder on Oct 15, 2007 1:21:56 GMT 5
Ateef saheb,I also believe that we all are free to have any world-view we like.But i also believe in the sincere exchange of ideas which only helps in breaking our mindsets n seeing the world with fresh eyes. One reason as to why these poems of the famous and established poets are not being recognised is that the academicains ahev also lagged behind the artist.It is always the artist who takes the initiative to explore new realms.This is my understanding. I shared what I understood by reading urdu hindi and english litrature.In hindi n english,free-verse is the norm rather than the exception these days. If what you said was just expressing your ideas,then I stand corrected n apolgise for not understanding you. Regards brijinder
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Post by brijinder on Oct 14, 2007 1:48:30 GMT 5
Ateef saheb,adaab.It is a debate about the aesthetic parameters,sir.Let us keep it that way.Do not take anything personally.Your saying"Wah ShaheenJee! Dil Khush kia hai! " was not in good taste.It is not gathering of crowd to make a kill but a platform to explore and listen to others' point of view. One thingI know is that if we do not evolove with time,time passes us by.Whether it is you,me or anyone else. Secondly,I am not a pioneer,sir,but only a practitioner of the art being practiced and appreciated in all the languages,including urdu,where the pioneers are poets like,Faiz,Parvin,Faraz,Kaifi,Sardar jafri n many more. A point to ponder!If poets like Faiz and faraz could explore free-verse form of poetry then perhaps they were more in tune with the times and were the real exploerers.I think even you will agree that they were great adepts in the craft of wazan and beher.Why did then they try in azaad poetry? I am giving a poem of Ahmed faraz saheb to bolster my point.I hope he is great enough of a poet in your eyes to make you look at the a parameters of aesthetic with new eyes.Parvin Shakir and Sardar Jafri could not come up to that for you.Plz read him and I can come up with many other azaad nazms of faraz saheb and other equally great poets of modern times.
Qaasid Kabutar
Yeh lahu Jissay meray ShehroN kay Saaray raasty gulgooN haiN Aur har pairhun ka ruNg unnabi hai Kal kay mausamoN Aur aanay waalay SoorajoN Ka zamzama-gar hai Chalo tumnay to Kali surkhiaN Miqraaz kar daaliN Sukhan nakhcheer kar daalay Magar ab in hawaaoN ko bhi roko Jo tumharay maqtaloN ki laaliaN Aur taza khooN ki khushbuaiN Aur unki awaazaiN liyay GalioN say BazaroN say ShahraahoN say ho kar Har taraf Qaraya-b-qaraya Phailti jaati haiN NaadaaoN HawaaiN naamwar baunti haiN Jab qaasid kabootar qaid hotay haiN --------------------------------
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