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Post by brijinder on May 30, 2007 3:45:29 GMT 5
GooNj
UNchay pahaaroN maiN gum hoti PagdaNdi par Khara hua nanha charwaha Bakri kay bachchay ko phislata daikh kay Kuch is tarah haNsa Waadi ki har darz say Jharnay phoot rahay haiN -----------------------
Majboori
HawaaiN DastakoN maiN mera naam lay rahi haiN MaiN,kiwaar kaisay kholuN Meray donoN haath Pusht ki taraf baNday huay haiN ---------------------
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Post by brijinder on May 19, 2007 1:55:25 GMT 5
Tunay Kabhi Socha
Gila kumgoyi ka mujhsay bajaa hai Lekin ai jaan-e-sukhan ! Tunay kabhi socha Ki teri simt jab maiN Aankh bhar kar daikhti hooN to Meri halki sunhari jild kay neechay Achanak Itnay dhairoN nanhaiN nanhaiN say diyay KyuN jalnay lagaty haiN? -------------------
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Post by brijinder on Sept 4, 2007 1:38:01 GMT 5
Muqaddar-- Parvin Shakir
MaiN woh larki hooN Jisko pehli raat Koi ghuNghat utha kay yeh keh day-- Mera sub kuch tera hai,dil kay siwa
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Post by brijinder on May 23, 2007 2:02:07 GMT 5
Khwaab martay haiN
Khwaan martay haiN Khwaab dil hai na aaNkhaiN na saaNs k jo
Raiza-raiza huay to bikhar jaiN Jism ki maut say yeh bhi mar jaiNgay
Khwaab martay nahiN Khwaab to raushni haiN,nawa haiN,hawa haiN
Jo kaalay pahaaroN say ruktay nahiN Zulm kay daur-khooN say bhi phuktay nahiN
Raushni aur nawa aur hawa kay alum MaqtaloN maiN pahuNchkar bhi jhuktay nahiN
Khwaab to harf haiN Khwaab to noor hain
Khwaab suqraat haiN Khwaab maNsoor haiN
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Post by brijinder on Oct 27, 2007 0:55:37 GMT 5
Qaasid Kabutar--Ahmad Faraaz
Yeh lahu Jissay meray ShehroN kay Saaray raasty gulgooN haiN Aur har pairhun ka ruNg unnabi hai Kal kay mausamoN Aur aanay waalay SoorajoN Ka zamzama-gar hai Chalo tumnay to Kali surkhiaN Miqraaz kar daaliN Sukhan nakhcheer kar daalay Magar ab in hawaaoN ko bhi roko Jo tumharay maqtaloN ki laaliaN Aur taza khooN ki khushbuaiN Aur unki awaazaiN liyay GalioN say BazaroN say ShahraahoN say ho kar Har taraf Qaraya-b-qaraya Phailti jaati haiN NaadaaoN HawaaiN naamwar baunti haiN Jab qaasid kabootar qaid hotay haiN --------------------------------
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Post by brijinder on Oct 13, 2007 0:56:37 GMT 5
Aap sub ko Eid mubarak.
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Post by brijinder on Sept 25, 2007 2:19:51 GMT 5
KaNch ki surkh choori
KaNch ki surkh choori Meray haathoN maiN Aaj aisay khankanay lagi hai Jaisay kal raat shubnam maiN likhi hui Teray haath ki shokhioN ko HawaaoN nay sur day diya ho
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Post by brijinder on Aug 4, 2007 3:06:46 GMT 5
Tabdeeli
Is bharay shahr maiN koi aisa nahiN Jo mujhay raah chaltay ko pehchaan lay Aur aawaaz day"o bay o sirfiray" DonoN eik doosray say lipat kar wahiN Gird-o-pesh aur mahaul ko bhool kar GaaliaN day,haNsay,haathapai karaiN Paas kay pair ki chaaoN maiN baith kar GhaNtoN eik doosray ki sunaiN aur kahaiN Aur is naik roohaoN kay baazar maiN Meri yeh qeemti,bebaha ziNdagi Eik din kay liyay apna rukh mor lay ------------------------------------------------
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Post by brijinder on Jul 16, 2007 6:17:01 GMT 5
Tu mujhay itnay pyaar say mat daikh
Tu mujhay itnay pyaar say mat daikh Teri palkoN kay naram saayay maiN Dhoop bhi chaNdni si lagti hai Aur mujhay kitni door jaanaa hai Rait hai garm,PaoN kay chaalay YooN dehktay haiN,jaisay aNgaaray Pyaar ki yeh nazar rehay na rehay Kaun dasht-e-wafa maiN jalta hai Teray dil ko khabar rahay na rahay Tu mujhay itnay pyaar say mat daikh -------------------------------------
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Post by brijinder on Dec 25, 2007 0:41:39 GMT 5
hindi is an indo-aryan language. so is urdu, particularly associated in the subcontinet with the mogul empire, in which persian was the court language. the name derive from persian zaban-e-urdu (the language of the camp), from tatar ordu ('camp'), whence also russian orda ('clan, crowd, troop'), polish horda, and english horde; compare the golden horde, a tatar people in central asia in the 14/15th centuries.
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Post by brijinder on Nov 12, 2007 5:02:10 GMT 5
Salghera mubarak akif ghani sahib
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Post by brijinder on Nov 12, 2007 5:02:51 GMT 5
Salghera Mubarak Mughal sahib
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Post by brijinder on Nov 10, 2007 1:03:56 GMT 5
Razi saheb,I am very thankful for understanding the depth of my anguish and hurt. Regards Brijinder
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Post by brijinder on Nov 7, 2007 2:54:57 GMT 5
Tabassum saheb, I am very thankful to you for coming out in open against the indecency,arrogance and narrow mindedness that was in open play here.Sir,I am thankful to you. Razi saheb, Thanks for replying.Sir,it was NOT Itni si baatDo you think that I got annoyed for nothing?.Do you sincerly belive that?What about open abuses,threats and religious comments,sir?Those people kept on harping sarcasm and abuse EVEN after so-called apology.Re-read the posts ,sir. I hope that you will openly come out against the display of indecency,abuse and religious intolerance which was going on here in the name of "ADAB" Regards brijinder
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Post by brijinder on Nov 6, 2007 4:40:16 GMT 5
Goodbye-A rejoinder The time has come to take my leave from this forum.But before I go,I would like to convey my disappointment and hurt. I will neither indulge in bad-mouthing like few here nor will try to side trap the issues like few other. First of all, about my writing in English.It is not the first time that I am saying this. Urdu is not my mother tongue.I just fell in love with language. My love for urdu was because of the essence of HUMILTY inherent in it, because of COURTSEY,POLITENESS and DECENCY that it imparts. Urdu poetry (if you will permit me to say this!!) happens to me. But I am not quite at ease with words while writing prose. That is not something that I am proud off. I have always, even on this forum, have requested the readers to overlook this handicap of mine. Most of them have been graceful about that. I have always believed in the PLURATIY OF THOUGHT.A society starts declining when the right to differ, right to question,FREEDOM TO INTELLECTUAL ENQUIRY is denied. Intolerant world-view,tunnel-vision and dictatorship-even spiritual or aesthetic-are the signs of a sickness. When I started the thread,”A case for azad/nacre poetry”.it was to initiate a healthy,mature and intellectually stimulating debate.For and against the subjects coming up with insightful examples and scholarship to back up their arguments.It was not about my being right,it was about starting of a critical dialogue. Well! that is how,I understand,a meaningful and constructive dialogue is maintained.But perhaps this kind of dialogue is foreign to many here. Such dialogue ,perhaps,has never been a part of their intellectual upbringing.These people reacted to that post NOT as scholars but as half-wits at best and street-bullies at worst.I was shocked at this extreme talibanisation of literature.Because they do not know how to win a point by intellect,they tries to make up their handicap by being boorish,malicious,sarcastic, vicious and intimidating. The Examples are strewn all over the replies to my posts .Some cultural sensitivity this is !!!!. I wrote in my non-poetic way: JahaazoN say liptanay ko baitaab thay meray samNdar Aur kashtiaN kaghaz ki bahaata raha zamana. THEIR IGNORANCE IS NOT MY FAULT. Jaanay kahaaN kahaaN khyaaloN ki mai urailee Kisi ka haath sung tha toota kahiN pay paimaaN
I merely wanted to start a critical dialogue that there can be many modes of expression. I have had the privilege of studying the literature s of urdu,English,hindi and Punjabi.If they did not have had enough exposure then blame does not lie with me,sirs.For them,poetry starts and ends with mere behr and wazan.But poetry all over world has already gone so many new milestones.I have grown by learning from from others who had the privilege of what had not studied.I wanted to share what I had learnt from other litratures plus what is happening in todays’ urdu poetry as well.But what I came up against me was not mere ignorance but the small-townish mindset which is contemptible of anything new. I am ready to enter in to a scholarly dialogue with anyone NOT ONLY on literature BUT ALSO on aesthetics,painting,psychology,philosophy,comparative religions,modern science etc. Even in this western country,I managed to bring more than 50 books of urdu poetry-from Ghalib to N.Rashid (Nacri poet). But I can not match, can not even come anywhere near,the abusiveness, closed mindedness arrogance or the street-bulliness of the few here on forum. They are mere ARTISANS and NOT ARTISTS.This is the difference between being an electrician and electrical engineer.Artisan merely knows to beat the known path where as an artist is inquisitive, inventive and experimental. An artist dares to go beyond the “conventional wisdom”. Great contemporary urdu poets tried to experiment,starting with doing away of the rhyme and then later,doing away with behar as well.And this experiment in urdu is still going on.They were ustaads of traditional urdu poetry of wazan n behar,yet departed from the tradition.WHY?I merely wanted a healthy debate about it,about human need to explore.It was not about MY BEING RIGHT BUT ABOUT QUESTIONING,about starting a critical dialogue.. But here this forum seem to be in the grip of grammarticians ,artisans and ELECTRICIANS, who have a very intolerant mindset.They simply neither have the artistic flair for the experiment nor the intellectual caliber to indulge in meaningful dialogue in any civilized way.This is how literature or human thought grows. Culture/decency?? “Adab say baat nahiN kartay Aur adab ki baat kartaiN haiN
Every healthy forum,as in every society,is governed by adhering to certain rules of civility,decency,respect for others’ views,courtesy.The moderator,like police,keeps a check whenever few elements try to shake that balance.But sadly here,opposite happened.They were not only mute spectators but actively participated in polarizing the issue.(A) Atif sahib simply forgot his duties as moderator.He rather acted like a person in tribal world, shrieking cheerfully and inviting others as if there was going to be a public buring.Please come down from your high horse,my friend.You simply donot have that wisdom which brings humility.His examples are all over the posts.I wrote,again in my non-poetic way: Daroga kay baghalgheer qatil huay baithay haiN Ab to bharosa nahIN insaaf kay bhi shahoN pay Is that what is expected of a mature moderator??? (B) Khalid sahib may be a good artisan but has no sense of what being an artist means.He was pathetic in his comments.Simply choosing not to answer my query about his being in angrez country.His saying” Tehzeeb ko bachany kay liayay main badtameez bhi ho jauNga Was a classic example of saying ends justify the means.But perhaps he has not read enough of history to know its real implications.It sounds like saying,”I will kill innocents to save the innocents”.These people represent a very very crude section whose intellectual,social and aesthetic sensebilities can be the envy of a slum-lord but not a true lover of literature. ( C) Shaheen sahib is not even worth mention as far as culture goes.He lost all sense of decency.He is just a rustic and foul-mouthed person and also does not seem to be much educated either.So let us just ignore him. Hypocracy: I could never understand why many of the sesnetive people are so hypocrite.Intellectuals and artists are the moral voice of a society and have moral courage. All of us use the products of western thought in all the spheres of our life without any qualms-cars,internet,fridge,train,trousers,stove etc etc- BUT still keep on pouring scorn on them as if we sit on high moral horses.Look around yourself honestly and see the examples of what we have made of our own culture-feudalism,corruption,cheating,prejudice,hatred,illetracy,poverty and what not.To me, each culture.civilisation has its own good and bad points.Honestly speaking,most of us will give an arm to get a chance to settle in a western country but pretend to be otherwise.Khaled sahib lives in Canada but is arrogant enough to dismiss their culture WITHOUT EVEN STUDYING IT.No one forces people like him to leave their countries.He very conveniently forgot to address this query when I first raised it.Let us not be hypocrite.First let us study something to find faults in it. Cowardice.Conscience of the “shareefs”.My role models from urdu literature have been Manto,Faiz,Faraz,Sahir,Kaifi,Parvin and Sufis etc who were the conscience of the society.They spoke against the wrongs NOT done to them but totheir fellows..They fought to give decency,respect to others,fought against the authoritarian and feudal mindsets,social injustices and spiritual hypocracies.But I am sorry to say that I many who pretend to be adept in literature in this forum,came out to be mere m”Men of straw”,who could not stand courageously when decency,decorum was openly being raped.Their conscience seem to be limited merely to composing words with correct wazan and beher.When open abuse was being hurled on me,when decency was being thrown to winds,when religious bigotry was in full bloom,NO ONE dared to come to courageously stand beside me.They were acting like people at street-brawl where goons are killing openly and they sneak past this horrible incident averting their eyes,not to get involved.And they all pretend to be intellectual and artists.This is what is called moral and spiritual cowardice.i would have come openly and strongly to support any of you,including atif sahib,khaled sahib and even shaeen sahib,even if I had not agreed to your thinking.That is basic decency.Goons take over in society not because they are strong but because the decent one are weak in spirit.They do not raise their voice against injustice when there is need and then it becomes too late. Razi sahib,for whom I had great respect and believe is the administrator ,simply chose NOT to address the problem for so many days.Few readers were indulging in open abuse,religious divisiness,threats and he chose not to do anything about that.He said in few words previousely but not forcefully enough.And when he chose,it was NOT to say anything about those “refined’gentlemen(Shaaheen sahib,Khaled sahib and Asif sahib) who were indulging in open hooliganism,it was NOT about the verbal assault on another member,it was not about the decorum of the forum. HE CHOSE TO SPEAK TO ADMONISH ME ON MY WRITING IN ENGLISH AS IF IT WAS THE FIRST TIME I HAD WRITTEN IN ENGLISH.It was like justifying the murder by goons by blaming the victim.Sir,some example of culture this is!!I was just stunned and ashamed.When I objected to the religion-specific jokes on a public forum,I was laughed away again by Razi sahib,saying that Sikhs have great sense of humour.There were enough “wise”comments by few already.Were these not enough to convince you about the propriety of a forum?Especially when you have unrefined and intolerant people like Shaeen sahib,Khaled sahib and Atif sahib in your forum. Rafi tabassum sahib,again for whom I had great respect,almost apologized tremblingly when told that he had appreciated a nacre poem,Is it the fear of these foul-mouthed people or just a desire to conform,to be a part of a herd that made you say that,sir?I don’t know.There was not even a word from you even against all that bullying though there were ample comments before your own reply to the post.I wrote: Ajnabi ban ban kay lagay milnay who chehray aashnaa say Chupkay say uth kay aa gaya main isliayay wahaaN say I challenge all of you to give even one example when I been abusive/disrespectful to anyone on ANY site.I always back up my arguments with exmples and reasoning where as real issues were being thrust under the carpet here. Culture:I am thankful that I know much better representatives of urdu language and the culture it represents- in literature and in personal life. As I said earlier that my role models from urdu literature have been person who had moral and social courage,empathy and humility.I have the privilege of having many muslim friends here,from Pakistan and india,who are well-educated,sophisticated,well informed,intelligent,fun to be with,have a great sense of humour,confident enough to appreciate the western culture without forgetting their own roots,courageous enough to stand on against crude sensebilities and mind sets.They have read enough of urdu and English literature to know about the trends and experiments.People like them will always keep my trust in humanity.Persons like Shaeen sahib will not be able to shalke my belief in the basic goodness of humanbeing,irrespect8ive of the religion. And always know that it was NOT only about azaad or nacri poetry only,it was about : 1.having freedom for a critical enquiry 2.about the respect of others,maintain decency 3.About our subtle hypocracies I thank you who read and falsely appreciated my poem(or non-poem,if u like) for such a long time.It will be easier for the administrator to delete this post but perhaps it will not be that easy to erase it from your conscience.I know it will be too embarrassing for you to let this post here and prick your conscience. Thank a lot for everything-for every abuse and bruise and to other,thank you for not standing up when there was need,in the defence of decency.Always remember Faraz saheb’s advice about new thoughts,experimentation and the public’s fear of new: Aaj hum daar pay kheeNchat gayay jin baton par Kya ajab kal who zamaanay ko nisaaboN main milay P.S. And Khaled sahib, even my English is not pedestrian \.Yes! you will need a dictionary for that.But what will you do about the complexthoughts and values I present?No dictionary for that but extensive study is needed for that,sir,and wisdom too.But perhaps you will make it up by being abusive,malicious and calling people like Shaeen sahib and Atif sahib to pour more abuses. Goodbye to you all. --------------------------------------------------------------- Some samples of the gems of decency and wisdom by few of our refined members: 1. wahhhh sardarni say aisay khat ki hi tawaqo rakhi ja sakti hay-Rafi Tabssum 2. great
dopeher 12 bajay likha ho ga yeh khat unhoon ne...—Shahkaar 3. Meray wollon iss behs da ikhtitam ho raya aay. Ess taun baad koi reply naee hona chahida hai. (Jumla del kar diya gaya hai - done by Shaheen) 4. Tau meri behn! Aapko kiss nay majboor kia hai keh aap apna khayal zaya karain. Aap say guzarish hai keh Nasr main try karaiN aur uss maiN apna naam banaaiN. Nasr nigaroN ki kami kafi ziyada ho gayee hai.-Atif 5. Kia achchi nasr ko taror maror kar doosri baar likhkha hai, B. Sagar nay 6. Log theek kehtay haiN keh PathanoN aur SikhoN ki suwi hamesha atki rehti hai. Khalid sahib aik shareef aadmi haiN iss lieay tumhaiN aap janaB keh rahay haiN. Mujh maiN yeh salahiyat hai keh maiN tumhaiN Insha Allah seedha raasta dikhaooN ga-Shaheen
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