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Post by Atif Mirza on Jun 5, 2008 2:04:04 GMT 5
Hamary aik moazziz rukn janaab Dishad Nazmi nay sub dostoN say aik bahut hi ahm baat kahi hai, chooNleh yeh meri ghazal kay thread maiN shamil hai aur wahaN bahut kum kum ehbaab jaatay haiN, lihaza maiN yeh guzaarish yahaN aap logoN say share kar raha hooN. Umeed keh keh sub moazziz araakeen iss per apni qeemti raay say nawazaiN gay.
Ref: sukhanwar.proboards100.com/index.cgi?board=andazebayan&action=display&thread=1099salam _O_alaekum ,
main aap tamami arakeen_e_bazm se darkhwast karta hoon ke kisi bhi takhleeq par sirf waah waah kah kar hi iktefa na karein , balkey jo kuch aap ke zahn me uss gazal ya nazm ke hawaley se aaey tou , aap koshish karein ke kuch likhein , take baat aagey tak jaey , aur eak dusrey ke seekhne ka samaan paeidah ho sake . shukriya mukhlis dilshadnazmi
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Post by Rafi Tabasum on Jun 5, 2008 21:28:29 GMT 5
maiN jnab Nazmi sahib say ittefaaq karta hooN magar ..................... Atif sahib ba,az dafa dost kisi takhleeq par tanqeed ko apni zaat par tanqeed samajh laitay haiN mujhay yaad parta hay is sisalay maiN sab say pehlay Naveed Sidiquee sahib ki baat ko ghalat rang dia gya phir yeh silsala barhta gia isi liay kam az kam maiN nay maslehat ka raasta apna lia akhir apni izzat apnay haath hoti hay haaN ab dostooN kay baray maiN andaza ho gia hay keh kon tanqeed bardasht kar sakta hay aur kon nahi
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Post by Sukhanwar on Jun 6, 2008 0:15:41 GMT 5
aatif sahab pehlay to aap ka shukria k aap nay aik dilshad sahab ki is eham baat ko alag thread main numaayan kar dia main dilshad sahab aur aap ki raay sy muttafiq hoon k baat honi chaahiay aur khul k honi chaahiay jab yeh forum qaaim kia gia tha to us waqt sab say barra maqsad hi yeh tha k yahan adabi mubaahis hon aur dost khul kar baat karain magar jaysa k rafi sahab nay bataya k ibtidaa main hi aysa mahol hua k baaz ehbaab nay tanqeed bardaasht karnay sy inkaar kar dia aur door kion jaain abhi chand roz pehlay bhi to yehi kuch hua so is ka tareeqa yeh hay k jo dost aik doosray k mizaaj ko samajh gaay hain woh khul k baat kar laytay hain aur baaqi jaga par hum mohtaat rehtay hain aaiay isi thread main daykh laytay hain k ehbaab kia chaahtay hain main ye thread salaay aam k liay doston ko email kar dayta hoon thanx razi
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Post by ramishjaan on Jun 6, 2008 1:05:15 GMT 5
AOA ehle sukhanwar aj phir aik bohat aham masale ki janib dilshad sahib ke hawale s eis bazm me behas ka aghaz howa .............. me apni is guftagu me sirf razi sahib ko muakhtib kar ke bat karo ga take KHUDA NA KAHStA agar meri koi bat kisi ko buri lagi to wo use apni zaat ke taraf na le ja sake razi shaib ka name is lyie kaha ke aik to wo bazm ke bade hain dosra mujhe yaqeen he ke wo meri bat ko samjhe ge aur unhe yeh kehyal nahi guzre ga ke me koi esi wesi bat kar raha ho,n kion ke ab bohat dar lagta he kuch bhi kehte howe ................................ me dilshad sahib ki baat aur jesa razi bhai ne bhi likha 100000% itfaaq karta ho,n ke hum sab naye likhne walo ke liye yeh nazam ke yahan adbi behas honi chahiye take tumam logo ko yaksa;n faeyda pohanch sake me itfaq karta hon dr sahib aur razi shaib ki bat se bhi ke aksar dekha geya ke tanqeed ke jawab me musbat ki jaga manfi rawaya samne aya ......................... jee isi tarf razi bhai me tawaju dilana chahta hon .......................................... razi bhai is bazm me jab jab kisi bhi tanqeed par manfi rawaya samne aya wo ibtada ki bat ho ja haliya jhagre ki us ki wajha sirf aik thi mere nazdeek ke tanqeed karne wale ne chahe kitne hi khlos se haumdardi se tanqeed ki ho magar tanqeed karne wala ke lab o lehja is qadr dursht talkh aur hatak ameez hota tha ke insan na chahte howe bhi bura man jata he is ke muqable par me samjhta ho,n ke tanqeed ke mamle me dr rafi shaib jesi mushfaqana andaz me haqeeqat me islah ke rang me tanqeed ki jaye to shayd wo sab kuch na hota jo kuch kai bar is bazm me howa me bohat maazrat chahta ho,n yeh kehte howe ke hum sab me se aksar afrad ne jab jab tanqeed ki un ka lab o lehja esa hi hota he jese wo jis par tanqeed kar rahe hain use insan hi nahi samjhte razi bhai behas aur mufeed behas se me nahi smajhta koi bhi dost ghabrata ho gabrahat aur bura tab hi manya jata he jab bura manane wali bat ho is liye me ap ki hadyat par ke yahan is cheez par behas ki jaye me yehi darkhwast karo ga ke agar to tanqeed barye islah ki jaye to mujhe yaqeen he koi bura nahi manye ga mere nazdeek in 4 salo me mujhe nahi yad ke kabhi kisi nye likhne wale ja porane likhne wale ne kabhi razi shaib ja dr rafi sahib ki kisi bat ka bura manya ho is liye dosto ko chahiye jo ustatza hain jo smajhte hain ke wo dosro ko kuch sikhla skate hain wo apne rawio,n ko narmi aur hilm kesath peesh kare to INSHALA koi bad mazgi nahi ho gi .................. dosra islah ke sath sath yeh option bhi hona chaiyhe ke sirf ghaltio,n ki nishandahi na ki jaye ja yeh na kaha jaye jee ke yeh is qabil nahi ke is par raye di ja sake ja yeh keh kar tanqeed ki jaye ke is is misre me khami he jahan tak mumkin ho us ghalti ki nishan dahi ke sath sath us ko door karne ka tareeq bhi sath likha jaye take jis ko ap us ki ghalti se agah kar rahe hain use samjh bhi aye ke ap ki ghalti ko kese sudhara geya he take aenda wo is cheez se seekh sake umeed he mujh jese tifle maktab ki bat ko smajha jaye ga aur koi bhi mimber is ko zatiyat ki taraf nahi le kar jaye ga ap ki douao,n ka mutaj ap ka mukhlis ramishjaan
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Post by dilshad on Jun 6, 2008 10:44:54 GMT 5
AOA ehle sukhanwar aj phir aik bohat aham masale ki janib dilshad sahib ke hawale s eis bazm me behas ka aghaz howa .............. me apni is guftagu me sirf razi sahib ko muakhtib kar ke bat karo ga take KHUDA NA KAHStA agar meri koi bat kisi ko buri lagi to wo use apni zaat ke taraf na le ja sake razi shaib ka name is lyie kaha ke aik to wo bazm ke bade hain dosra mujhe yaqeen he ke wo meri bat ko samjhe ge aur unhe yeh kehyal nahi guzre ga ke me koi esi wesi bat kar raha ho,n kion ke ab bohat dar lagta he kuch bhi kehte howe ................................ me dilshad sahib ki baat aur jesa razi bhai ne bhi likha 100000% itfaaq karta ho,n ke hum sab naye likhne walo ke liye yeh nazam ke yahan adbi behas honi chahiye take tumam logo ko yaksa;n faeyda pohanch sake me itfaq karta hon dr sahib aur razi shaib ki bat se bhi ke aksar dekha geya ke tanqeed ke jawab me musbat ki jaga manfi rawaya samne aya ......................... jee isi tarf razi bhai me tawaju dilana chahta hon .......................................... razi bhai is bazm me jab jab kisi bhi tanqeed par manfi rawaya samne aya wo ibtada ki bat ho ja haliya jhagre ki us ki wajha sirf aik thi mere nazdeek ke tanqeed karne wale ne chahe kitne hi khlos se haumdardi se tanqeed ki ho magar tanqeed karne wala ke lab o lehja is qadr dursht talkh aur hatak ameez hota tha ke insan na chahte howe bhi bura man jata he is ke muqable par me samjhta ho,n ke tanqeed ke mamle me dr rafi shaib jesi mushfaqana andaz me haqeeqat me islah ke rang me tanqeed ki jaye to shayd wo sab kuch na hota jo kuch kai bar is bazm me howa me bohat maazrat chahta ho,n yeh kehte howe ke hum sab me se aksar afrad ne jab jab tanqeed ki un ka lab o lehja esa hi hota he jese wo jis par tanqeed kar rahe hain use insan hi nahi samjhte razi bhai behas aur mufeed behas se me nahi smajhta koi bhi dost ghabrata ho gabrahat aur bura tab hi manya jata he jab bura manane wali bat ho is liye me ap ki hadyat par ke yahan is cheez par behas ki jaye me yehi darkhwast karo ga ke agar to tanqeed barye islah ki jaye to mujhe yaqeen he koi bura nahi manye ga mere nazdeek in 4 salo me mujhe nahi yad ke kabhi kisi nye likhne wale ja porane likhne wale ne kabhi razi shaib ja dr rafi sahib ki kisi bat ka bura manya ho is liye dosto ko chahiye jo ustatza hain jo smajhte hain ke wo dosro ko kuch sikhla skate hain wo apne rawio,n ko narmi aur hilm kesath peesh kare to INSHALA koi bad mazgi nahi ho gi .................. dosra islah ke sath sath yeh option bhi hona chaiyhe ke sirf ghaltio,n ki nishandahi na ki jaye ja yeh na kaha jaye jee ke yeh is qabil nahi ke is par raye di ja sake ja yeh keh kar tanqeed ki jaye ke is is misre me khami he jahan tak mumkin ho us ghalti ki nishan dahi ke sath sath us ko door karne ka tareeq bhi sath likha jaye take jis ko ap us ki ghalti se agah kar rahe hain use samjh bhi aye ke ap ki ghalti ko kese sudhara geya he take aenda wo is cheez se seekh sake umeed he mujh jese tifle maktab ki bat ko smajha jaye ga aur koi bhi mimber is ko zatiyat ki taraf nahi le kar jaye ga ap ki douao,n ka mutaj ap ka mukhlis ramishjaan salam _o-alaekum , ramish jaan ne woh sab kah diya ,jo ke mere zahn me aa raha thaa , bas eak baat ki janib mera zahn gaya hai ke , koshish ki jaey ( agar mumkin ho tou ) ke kisi bhi takhleeq par koi bahac ho , koi fan_ni khami ya khoobi nazar me aaey aur ham me se koi uss par apna khayal pesah karna chahey tou lazmi hai ke kisi aham nuktey par kuch kahtey huwey uske saath dalaeyl zaroor chaspaa'n kar de, take kisi ke bura man_ney ki gunjaish baqi na rahe , akcar hota yeh hai ke islaah karne wale hazraat apne zoam me zara sakht rawaiya apana lete hain , jo ke sirey se galat tareeqa hai , aur apni baat manwaney ke liye dat_te rahte hain , hona yeh chahiye ke ham jo kuch kahein agar mubtadi ke ya mad_de muqabil ki samajh me na aa raha ho tou kitabo'n ke hawaley se , yani asaztzahh ki pesh ki huwi misalein samney la sakte hain , kuch jagho'n par mukhtalif school's ka nazariya mutsadam ho jane ka khadsha bahar haal tab bhi qayam rahta hai, magar yeh koi bahot bada masla nahi hai , ab yeh apne apne tarz ki baat hogi , mujhey khushi huwi ke meri darkhwast ko atif bhai ne numayaa'n kiya aur uss par bahac chal nikli hai , main bazm ke senior membraan se guzarish karoonga ke woh aesei kisi suratehaal ke samney aate hi burdbari aur haleemana tour se baat ko sanbhaal leingey , waesey janab ramish jaan ne tafseeli tour se sab kuch kah diya hai , mukhlis dilshadnazmi
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Post by Ghazalsara on Jun 6, 2008 11:35:13 GMT 5
Salam,aisa kahan se laon,sab achcha kahain jisay Sukhanwaro!yeh labo lejay say zayadah khud ko paidaishi Mirza Ghalib samajhnay ka moaamla hay.baharhal...is ki ehmiat say inkar naheen.main is silsilay main aik column ya mazmoon jald hi arsal karon ga.
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Post by Atif Mirza on Jun 6, 2008 14:29:36 GMT 5
MaiN sub dostoN ka shukriya adaa karta hooN keh unhoN nay apnay apnay muCbat khayaalaat say iss thread ko nawazaa. KhaS taur per Razi Sahib ka shukriya adaa karta hooN keh unhoN nay bataur E Mail iss thread ka link dostoN ko arsaal kia. Aik guzarish yeh hai keh agar issay announcement ka darja bhi day dia jaay tau kafi dost iss maiN shamil ho kar apni qeemti araa nay nawazaiN gay.
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Post by suhailabbaskhan on Jun 7, 2008 6:41:13 GMT 5
bhaii kuhoon logoon ki ruwaii ka saman pada kerna chahtay ho
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Post by Atif Mirza on Jun 7, 2008 11:19:54 GMT 5
Suhail Sb yeh lafz ruwaii hai ya ruswaii?
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Post by suhailabbaskhan on Jun 7, 2008 20:47:28 GMT 5
ruswaii bur wazan fa elon
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Post by Sukhanwar on Jun 7, 2008 23:28:56 GMT 5
AOA ehle sukhanwar aj phir aik bohat aham masale ki janib dilshad sahib ke hawale s eis bazm me behas ka aghaz howa .............. me apni is guftagu me sirf razi sahib ko muakhtib kar ke bat karo ga take KHUDA NA KAHStA agar meri koi bat kisi ko buri lagi to wo use apni zaat ke taraf na le ja sake razi shaib ka name is lyie kaha ke aik to wo bazm ke bade hain dosra mujhe yaqeen he ke wo meri bat ko samjhe ge aur unhe yeh kehyal nahi guzre ga ke me koi esi wesi bat kar raha ho,n kion ke ab bohat dar lagta he kuch bhi kehte howe ................................ me dilshad sahib ki baat aur jesa razi bhai ne bhi likha 100000% itfaaq karta ho,n ke hum sab naye likhne walo ke liye yeh nazam ke yahan adbi behas honi chahiye take tumam logo ko yaksa;n faeyda pohanch sake me itfaq karta hon dr sahib aur razi shaib ki bat se bhi ke aksar dekha geya ke tanqeed ke jawab me musbat ki jaga manfi rawaya samne aya ......................... jee isi tarf razi bhai me tawaju dilana chahta hon .......................................... razi bhai is bazm me jab jab kisi bhi tanqeed par manfi rawaya samne aya wo ibtada ki bat ho ja haliya jhagre ki us ki wajha sirf aik thi mere nazdeek ke tanqeed karne wale ne chahe kitne hi khlos se haumdardi se tanqeed ki ho magar tanqeed karne wala ke lab o lehja is qadr dursht talkh aur hatak ameez hota tha ke insan na chahte howe bhi bura man jata he is ke muqable par me samjhta ho,n ke tanqeed ke mamle me dr rafi shaib jesi mushfaqana andaz me haqeeqat me islah ke rang me tanqeed ki jaye to shayd wo sab kuch na hota jo kuch kai bar is bazm me howa me bohat maazrat chahta ho,n yeh kehte howe ke hum sab me se aksar afrad ne jab jab tanqeed ki un ka lab o lehja esa hi hota he jese wo jis par tanqeed kar rahe hain use insan hi nahi samjhte razi bhai behas aur mufeed behas se me nahi smajhta koi bhi dost ghabrata ho gabrahat aur bura tab hi manya jata he jab bura manane wali bat ho is liye me ap ki hadyat par ke yahan is cheez par behas ki jaye me yehi darkhwast karo ga ke agar to tanqeed barye islah ki jaye to mujhe yaqeen he koi bura nahi manye ga mere nazdeek in 4 salo me mujhe nahi yad ke kabhi kisi nye likhne wale ja porane likhne wale ne kabhi razi shaib ja dr rafi sahib ki kisi bat ka bura manya ho is liye dosto ko chahiye jo ustatza hain jo smajhte hain ke wo dosro ko kuch sikhla skate hain wo apne rawio,n ko narmi aur hilm kesath peesh kare to INSHALA koi bad mazgi nahi ho gi .................. dosra islah ke sath sath yeh option bhi hona chaiyhe ke sirf ghaltio,n ki nishandahi na ki jaye ja yeh na kaha jaye jee ke yeh is qabil nahi ke is par raye di ja sake ja yeh keh kar tanqeed ki jaye ke is is misre me khami he jahan tak mumkin ho us ghalti ki nishan dahi ke sath sath us ko door karne ka tareeq bhi sath likha jaye take jis ko ap us ki ghalti se agah kar rahe hain use samjh bhi aye ke ap ki ghalti ko kese sudhara geya he take aenda wo is cheez se seekh sake umeed he mujh jese tifle maktab ki bat ko smajha jaye ga aur koi bhi mimber is ko zatiyat ki taraf nahi le kar jaye ga ap ki douao,n ka mutaj ap ka mukhlis ramishjaan ramish sahib main nay aap ki mail bhi parhi aur dilshaad sahab ka jawab bhi parh lia baat sirf yahan aa kar khatm ho jaati hy k aik adabi forum par andaz e takalum bhi shaista hona chaahiay laykin janab mujhay maaloom hy k baaz logon ko shaaista rawaiya bhi usi waqt bhaat hay jab un ki tareeef ka samaan ho main koshish karta hoon k ghalati ki nishaandahi pm k zariay karoon taa keh kisi ki anaa ko thays na pohanchay magar mujhay yeh bhi tajurba hua k baaz logon ko yeh bhi naa gawar guzra asal main to aik khaami ki islaah kartay huay yeh bhi mad e nazar hota hay k baaqi dost bhi us sy agaah ho jaain magar ... khair yeh aik laa hasill behas hay hum koshish kartay hain k khul k baat ki jaay koi baat nahi jo ga daykha jaay ga thanx razi
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Post by Sukhanwar on Jun 7, 2008 23:31:20 GMT 5
Salam,aisa kahan se laon,sab achcha kahain jisay Sukhanwaro!yeh labo lejay say zayadah khud ko paidaishi Mirza Ghalib samajhnay ka moaamla hay.baharhal...is ki ehmiat say inkar naheen.main is silsilay main aik column ya mazmoon jald hi arsal karon ga. theek hy janab logon ko khud ko mirza ghalib samajhna chaahiay magar mirza ghalib ki tarah kisi meer ko bhi tasleem karain na
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Post by Atif Mirza on Jun 14, 2008 16:02:38 GMT 5
Razi Sahib! Aap ki baat say ittefaaq kartay huway yeh guzarish karna chahooN ga keh iss bazm kay GhaliboN ki talaash shuroo karni chahiay.
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Post by Bilal Mirza on Jun 14, 2008 23:51:41 GMT 5
Main mohtram Dilshad sb ki baat say sad fi sad itefaq karta hoon. Aor dua karta hoon keh tamaam doston ko tanqeed sehnay ka hosla ataa ho jaay.
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Post by Zagham Abidi on Jun 20, 2008 14:21:03 GMT 5
dilshad sahab nay aik bohot aham masaly ki taraf tawaja dilai hay.waqai maslahat k paish-e-nazar bohot hi muhtat ravaia ikhtiar kia jata hay jis ki waja say is bazm ka maqsad poora nahi ho pata, hum to is bazm main atay hi is liay hain k kuch seekh sakain, aur hamari rahnumai hamaray senior hi karian gay.agar koi shakhs islah ka bura manata hay to bhatar hay k us ko us k hal per chor dia jai. waqt ki tohkron say khud hi sumbhal jaie ga lakin shaid us waqt tak bohot dair ho chuki ho. meri app sub say guzarish hay k main jo kuch bhi arsal karoon us ka bhurpoor tanqidee jaiza lain mujhay khushi ho gi
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